and he knows who dennis rodman is. how many world leaders even know who dennis rodman is. he's also -- he loves movies, as did his father. his predecessor in this role. when one goes to north korea, even to this day, if you're even hoping for an interview, or get in the presence of the supreme leader, you're always advised, take along some really good new movies, and that will give you your best chance. >> dennis rodman's taking a lot of flack. i'm not defending him and i think he was very naive about the way it's played out. having said that, i think it is encouraging there is any dialogue with north korea. the more you know about this country, probably the better. >> i agree. >> the sequestration, which is probably something even north korea doesn't understand. i found the events of last week incredibly dispiriting. the fact that america, this great superpower, has this demeaning political system here. >> no one wants to say it, and some can accuse me of being harsh in the language. but we have been parachuted into the valley of the stupid. the united states -- this is d